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Beyond ROAS: How to Know if Your Advertising is Working

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May 8, 2025 | Todd & the Wizard of Ads Episode 4

Dear Reader,

You are playing a dangerous game. A game that you didn’t even know that you were in. It’s no game of small bets. This is a game of extreme high stakes. It’s a game of tricks, addictions, and manipulations and very high costs.

You are playing the game of the direct response advertiser. This game is stacked against you. Big time!

The dealer is the direct response marketer. The house is Google, Bing, and the other search platforms. The player is you.

The dealer and the house are telling you that their game will make you rich. And that if their game doesn’t make you rich, it’s because you simply don’t know how to play the game.

“Here’s the problem Ron. You didn’t play the game the way I said to play the game. So, what you need to do is play the game again and you will learn.” – The house

“What are the rules to the game?” – The player

“You make your bet up front, and I deal you a lead.” – The dealer
“But how do I win?” – The player
“You make more bets. And you bet higher than the other players.” – The house

“If I bet higher than the other players, will I be the only one to get the leads?” – The player

“You will get the lead sooner.” – The dealer

“How many leads are given out for the same bet?” – The player

“Well, it depends.” – The house

“So, you are selling the lead to multiple players? How do I win at this game?” – The player

“You bet more money, more often.” – The dealer

“Won’t that just make me go broke?” – The player

This game is wildly popular! And the house has a big, beautiful building with no windows and no clocks. It is filled with bright colors and dings and whistles. Some call these distractions “metrics”.

The dealer stands behind the table the house built and takes his cut off every bet.

The player sits at the table, in the house with no windows, and keeps making his bets.

The house and the dealer always win.
Some players leave the table. Some just don’t know better.

-Todd Liles

In This Episode, You'll Learn:

  • Branded vs. Unbranded Search Metrics
  • Country Boy Math for Growth Prediction
  • The Jewish Philosophy of Charity Applied to Business
  • Nike and Volkswagen’s Legendary Ad Strategies

Episode Chapters & Summary

How to Know if Your Advertising is Working

“When you have a reputation, people will repeat back to you phrases they've heard in your ads.”

Roy explains that true brand recognition shows when customers repeat your ad language. Memorability—not just visibility—is the real measure of advertising success.

Key Takeaways:

  • Memorability is the true test of advertising.
  • Reviews track customer service—not marketing impact.
  • If people repeat your words, your ads are working.

The Best Clients (and the Worst)

“The perfect client has been struggling, flat, or down for three years in a row.”

Roy shares why struggling clients are more open to real transformation—and why humility makes the difference between success and failure.

Key Takeaways:

  • Struggling businesses are more receptive to real change.
  • Self-made success stories often misattribute growth.
  • Real transformation starts with humility and openness.

The Deeper Mission: Changing Lives, Not Just Businesses

“Giving a person a job is better than giving them money.”

Roy discusses how sustainable business growth changes lives, not just profit margins—by creating jobs, opportunities, and lasting legacies.

Key Takeaways:

  • Creating jobs changes lives more than handouts.
  • Business growth creates ripple effects across families and communities.
  • Long-term impact is the ultimate measure of success.

Measuring Growth: The Simple Math

“Top line growth is the ultimate test of marketing effectiveness.”

Roy shares a simple formula: expect steady revenue acceleration over 2–3 years if marketing and operations align. Year four is the real operational test.

Key Takeaways:

  • Track top-line revenue growth, not just percentages.
  • True momentum builds steadily over 2–3 years.
  • Year four exposes whether leadership can scale effectively.

The Role of Gratitude and Commitment

“Gratitude and humility are signs of long-term partners.”

Todd emphasizes how long-term partnerships are built on gratitude and loyalty—not arrogance or transactional thinking.

Key Takeaways:

  • Gratitude strengthens partnerships.
  • Long-term success requires loyalty and mutual respect.
  • Transactional mindsets undermine real growth.

Understanding Branded vs. Unbranded Search

“Branded keyword searches drive profitable growth. Unbranded searches drain it.”

Roy outlines why tracking branded keyword searches is the clearest indicator of strong brand advertising—and why chasing generic PPC clicks can backfire.

Key Takeaways:

  • Track branded searches separately from PPC.
  • Branded searches signal real brand strength.
  • Chasing unbranded clicks often loses money.

Transitioning Without Collapsing

“Don't quit your bad habits cold turkey without a plan.”

Roy and Todd caution against suddenly dropping traditional advertising or lead channels without a solid brand foundation already built.

Key Takeaways:

  • Build brand equity slowly while maintaining cash flow.
  • Major advertising shifts require patience and planning.
  • Gradual transitions prevent business collapses.

Building a System That Supports Growth

“Marketing drives growth. Operations sustain it.”

Marketing brings in customers, but operations retain them. Roy explains why scaling requires operational excellence just as much as great advertising.

Key Takeaways:

  • Marketing brings customers; operations keep them.
  • Scaling requires investment in both sales and systems.
  • Great growth without great operations leads to collapse.

The Secret to Legendary Ads

“When what you're doing doesn't fit, but it belongs, you have something special.”

Roy highlights how powerful ads like Nike's and Volkswagen's succeed because they break conventions but still feel deeply authentic.

Key Takeaways:

  • Great ads subvert expectations while feeling authentic.
  • Surprise creates emotional engagement.
  • True branding captures hearts by doing what 'shouldn't' work.
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